Thursday, May 17, 2007

 

FMA Talk rant about purity and pekiti tirsia

this is from a post on http://www.fmatalk.com

Some of it may be out of context since you didn't see the guy I responded to and his post, but I am struggling to convey what is important about pedigrees and about purity and about ancient vs. modern.. Systems vs. hodpodges of techniques, and the "real deal" combative martial arts vs. the sportified versions we see today.

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Mmmm. I can't help but think the argument is off. He said "All cultures know killing so who is anyone to say they do it best...?" (paraphrased)I want to make this point clear that is obvious...Most cultures KNEW killing but the arts that were effective combative techniques were lost as you say, due to various factors...but the martial artists are among the people who lost the effective technique. They turned jiu-jitsu into Ju-do, kenjitsu into ken-do. And a swordsman invented something called Aikido...As time passes, what was once a great martial arts system gets turned into a sport and LOSES IT'S ORIGINAL EFFECTIVENESS. The Europeans, we had, amoung other real fighting skills worthy of defending your family, swordmanship, right? What do we have now, the sports of boxing, wrestling, and fencing? The bladed skills went out the window big time. It is just all about sports man. Heck, boxers wear big pillows on their hands and act like the can't use any other part of their body except their hands, wrestlers strive to pin the guy on his back(hands free or not), and the fencing is done in straight lanes where the first one to touch the other guy with his little fairy wand wins the big medal. Did we lose something here?Wasn't Judo invented as a sport.. taking out the moves that might get someone hurt. Wouldn't want to do that.. oh no.. Isn't the foil and boxing gloves and the rules for ultimate fighting all about not being effective? If you are effective it kills the sport.So if there is any money to be made, you should1. teach kids2. hold tournaments with rules enough to make everyone feel safe or keep the law off your behind.3. Teach multiple arts since you get more students overall, touch on more market segments4. maybe throw in some mystical harmony philosophy and teach wimps discipline and self respect. They won't be able to save themselves, but they might feel powerfull at least.And if you haven't noticed Pekiti Tirsia ain't making alot of money. Oh yeah, all those pekiti tirsia guys driving around in BMWs oh yeah...right!So no, it doesn't make sense to study a bunch of arts since so many have been made lame through time. The people got soft and so did the martial arts!So... if we could study one of the other arts of one of the many cultures on earth that have been fierce warriors, yeah, you know what? It might be as good or EVEN BETTER than pekiti.. but most of those arts died out in their pure form. We value pekiti since it wasn't invented to nullify the empty handed kung fu style of the other clan, nor did it evolve to be a sport, nor to be politically correct or add in japanese stuff to attract the guys involved in japanese arts. No! We value it because it is the real deal.. This is hard liquor and not watered down.. This is the PURE stuff and it doesn't need anything added or subtracted. It needs to be preserved like something authentic in a museum. Oh look the real crown worn by a king in the 5th century BC, why don't we take it and add in some $2 rhinestones...we'll fix it..Most the the "martial arts" we are stuck with today are about as similar to real combative systems as bear claws are to our modern day fingernails are. They are good for scratching your butt but not the defenders of the cave that they were.Heck, even thai kickboxing.. wasn't the real art krabi krabong or something like that.. But heck who wants the real deal when they can sweat and kick pads and fight in the ring with one guy, a ref and a bunch of rules? Who wants to wield a real weapon anyway? You might hurt somebody for real... Where's the fun in that? WWF, now that is fun and they swear it's real...In summary, we don't think the filipinos have the best anything nor the corner on the fighting arts. What we do think is that effective combative systems lose their effectiveness over time and are changed to other purposes. We also believe that pekiti tirsia is an art that is still an original, pure combative system that has not been watered down or sportized or otherwise jacked up.Let's keep it that way. If I try and mix pekiti with judo than my grandchildren will learn a system that is probably pretty screwed up.

Tuesday, May 1, 2007

 

Marc "Animal" MacYoung

I like this guy most for his no BS presentation and down to earth view of things. I also like his crazy rambling, just regular guy not trying to be some fancy writer type of book writing style. Fun to read and lots of wisdom.

What I don't like about what he says is...let me scratch my $%^$^ and remember here..

Oh yeah, what I don't like is the whole "you learn so much by fighting" deal. I disagree strongly. I also had a wing chun teacher once that told me, your here to wing chun, if you want to fight, go hang out in the bar. What?!!

I have not been in too many fights... which I would say makes me an even higher master of the martial arts than someone who fights alot... The art of fighting without fighting... If you are getting in alot of fights you need to fricking move or adjust your attitude. You don't fight if you don't have to and if you do fight, you make sure you win. Yeah, yeah I grew up in the suburbs and went to a nice college, etc., but I also wobbled drunk down the late night streets of Mexico City in the tough neighborhoods too. There wasn't a fight there unless you didn't have a brain figure your way out. And when you didn't have a brain you just fight.

Anyway, I got sidetracked. Anyway, the way to learn how to fight isn't fighting. Or let's say it is overrated by many people. Being in alot of fights doesn't make you a great fighter.

I've been in few fights really but what I learned from the fights was very, very little. Each fight was so totally different in so many ways that you can take away very few lessons to better yourself for the next fight. You are always preparing to win the last war, not the next one.

Anyway, the one thing I did learn from the fights I was in was that in the fight, I did EXACTLY whatever I had been training to do in whatever martial art I was taking.

So I think you don't so much learn from fighting, but you end up fighting how you train.

So I guess my theory is that you just need to make sure you are training in something tried and true and that it will be appropriate for what you might encounter in a fight. There is no time to think in a fight, you just react and that reaction will be whatever you have been taught to do in training, for good or for bad.

Some of these martial arts have been developed over hundreds of years and many men fought and many died to make the martial art what it is. You can't just get into a bunch of fights in a bar and think you've even come close to learning something compared to a system that has been developed, nurtured, tried and tested, and many lives lost over many years to perfect. It is ridiculous.

You might do better not learning any martial art though. So many martial arts are so pathetically esoteric, detached from application, with such poor training methods and such sport oriented technique that you actually might be better not learning a martial art and just being a natural human being in fighting mode when a fight come though. That is sad.

Like I said though, you will do whatever you have been trained to do or have practiced doing. Even if that was just wrassling with your brother or watching people give those big wide punches like on TV.

So don't fight, train. Training will prepare and program you for the fight. It isn't a learning aid as the possible consequences are too high. Plus you are not in learning mode, you are in instinctual or ingrained reaction mode.

Was Muhamed Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Bruce Lee or Mas Oyama, or Mushashi great fighters because they got into alot of fights or because they trained for fighting? Fighting can be a good feedback loop, but at a great cost and the real value of a fight is to put your training to the test. You don't learn how to fight in a fight, you find out how effective your training has been.

Anyway, it is of some use, but training,--if it is good, relevant training has WAY more value add than fighting.

There are some other things about Marc I want to talk about but I can't remember them right now. Something about his "knife fighting" views and a few other things. That later. But overall I like him because he is the guy who looks at the karate tournament and says, "hey, that's a joke, your gonna get your @$% kicked doing silly stuff like that."(not a direct quote) He is just a voice of reason above the bullshido. Gonna put a link to the book of his I have read and re-read here soon.

 

Cold Steel

What do I like about them?

-I think I can depend on the knives/swords to be battle worthy, as opposed to wall hangers.
-Professional, good marketing materials, video, print web, good to look and dream over what to get next.

What do I NOT like about them?

- thick handles, some of them like the barong have thick handles made for big hands like the presidents.
- lack of guards, especially the folders. I just feel safer with a guard.. I have a scar I can show you..
- they say they practice filipino martial arts but only recently did they make a filipino type sword and the thing is a barong....
-their smug macho faces after they just cut... a naked chicken!!! ha ha ha
- too many knives are 6 inches, illegal where I live, 5 and 1/2 inches would be just a good and legal
- their lack of designs that favor the blade inside ice pick position. They claim that the blade down or ice pick position is not a good idea(which isn't true, depends on different factors) and most of the knives I see seem designed such that blade inside feels awkward or puts your fingers depressing the lock. They seem to favor blade out position... Hey, that is weak. All animals have claws that have the sharp part facing in, cats, bears, every one. Slashing is weak, ripping is powerful.

I have some silly clips of me cutting multiple beer cans with a Cold Steel Kobun somewhere on Youtube. Great knife, 5.5 inches with a great sheath.

I don't like everything about them, but who can you compare to them? No one has done so much for knives and knife lovers on such a large and in your face, man that is cool, these guys GET IT!! type a way.

I'm just hard to please. You guys are head and shoulders above the rest though. Larger than life.

 

Dog Brothers

What do I not like about these guys?

They are famous and I'm not.. yes.
The whole stick focus.. yes

But what really bothers me the most is this whole stick wrassling thing.

Ok, for me doing filipino martial arts and thinking only about the stick is just not how I think. I study a primarily bladed art, Pekiti Tirsia which of course transfering to impact weapons such as the stick and is also used as a training tool.

Ok, so anyway, these guys have the matches and they do full contact stick fighting. Anyway the part I like less than the "stick" part of it, is that let's say one of the guys whacks the other guys arm, hand and head(they wear fencing masks and hockey gloves). The guy who for me is totally out of the fight, many times then comes in and does a take down and starts doing jiu jitsu and wrestling with or without the stick in hand with the other guy. Come on... Anyway, it is what it is, but that is what bothers me about it. So it would seem to appear sometimes that the guy who would actually appear to "win" the encounter in the end really wasn't the winner at all, but a weiner with a missing leg, hand and head. But that is just a blade guy talking. Heck, without the protective equipment, the guy might be out of the fight as well with the very same stick.

I'll give them an A+ though for marketing, balls and action.

Some guys have all the luck..

 

What I've taught

Present

Pekiti Tirsia Kali
Twice a week classes , authorized and certified to teach under Tuhon Gaje and Pekiti-Tirsia Global Organization as Lakan Guro.

Past
Wing Chun Kung Fu under banner of EBMAS as student teacher.

Just for Grins
1st semester Spanish at University of North Texas.. Me llamo Diego. Yo soy estudiante, ja, ja, ja.

 

martial arts teachers - my list of teachers

Present Teachers

Pekiti Tirsia Kali
Guro Tim Waid- privates, classes, seminars
Tuhon Gaje - some privates, semi-privates, seminars, instructor seminars

Past Teachers

Pekiti Tirsia
Dennis Bedford - Pekiti Tirsia classes

Pekiti Tirsia, etc.
Paul Taylor - Pekiti Tirsia, etc. privates/informal classes , mentoring
Tom Taylor - Pekiti Tirsia , etc. privates/informal classes, mentoring

Wing Chun
Sihing Graham Weedon - Privates and Classes
Sifu Michael Casey - Seminars
Sifu Emin Boztepe - seminars
Sifu Robert Jaquet(spelling) - classes

JKD
Ray Medina- classes
Raymond Crow- classes
Paul Taylor - privates, mentoring

Tae Kwon Do
Kim's Tae Kwon Do - classes
Another Tae Kwon Do school I can't remember now in richardson/plano area

 

Advanced Techniques

Some people can't wait for the advanced techniques. Advanced techniques they assume, are "the good stuff." This basic stuff I am learning now is just a waste of time, I want the advanced stuff where you really learn to beat the opponent easily with the secret and advanced parts of the system.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Advanced techniques are for advanced people. They are not necesarily advanced or better techniques, but they are meant for people who already dominate the basics. In other words, knowing advanced techniques don't make you advanced... advanced techniques are for the advanced.

When I drive my car, sometimes I only have one hand or even one finger on the steering wheel. However, if somebody starts weaving next to me or all of a sudden it starts raining, all of a sudden I have both hands on the wheel since that is the only way to have control and be able to react quickly to any potential problems. So someone who wants to be advanced might assume that to more easily control the car and deal with problems they should keep one hand or one finger on the wheel when really that is not so.

The advanced technique of driving with one hand is for the guy who knows when he can get away with being advanced and when he needs to go back to the basics.

An expert is a master of the basics.

Another way to look at this is that only an advanced person can make an advanced technique work. It isn't a short cut, it is harder and more difficult but an advanced person can make it work. Like water skiing. Skiing with one ski is advanced...Skiiing with one ski is basic. Which is actually better if you want to stay out and not fall into the water?

So if you are a beginner.. don't worry you are learning the best part now. This is the important stuff, the stuff that works. Don't long for the advanced techniques. They are not being held back from you, you are just not there yet.

In many martial arts, they say that the height of any martial art is simplicity. You don't add more and more.. you strip more and more away.

Anyway, Advanced isn't better, it is just for the advanced.

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